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few days ago I made a summary TeleMadrid 's documentary on the English language in Catalonia. The feeling you let the documentary was that the World and Telemadrid had wanted to show falsely that chase you if you speak Catalan or Castilian is a "war" between languages. Yesterday,

23 Channel 33 issued a discussion on the health status of Catalan in the Agora program. Unfortunately an issue shorter than usual.

In this case I have noted the arguments that say the memory so I have left me any. But most important I think they are. These were his arguments by guest:


Miquel Pueyo, secretary of the Catalan language policy:


Catalan is not in the ICU, not get carried away by pessimism or defeatism. The Correllengua, the 30,000 volunteers (Parellada of conversation) who spend half an hour a day with people who have just arrived to Catalonia and want to learn Catalan, the fact that over 10% of parents talk to their children
Catalan, etc. Catalan is part of our culture and has certain threats to their survival to be considered but should not be a pessimistic and disappointing idea about your health.


Joel Joan, actor i platform member Sovereignties i Progrés:


Because the state does not protect protects the Catalan and Castilian? If did you end up with language problems. Suffice to allocate the same money that goes into Castilian and Catalan can talk about institutions, conferences, etc. As the English state does not do this you need a state to protect them. Miquel


Portaperales , i scriptor writer:


have to apply a liberal concept of the language. It is said that anyone willing to talk (at this point all forum participants agreed) and not on any protective measures. Ie free-market laws and culture. The strongest survive or "better." Prohibited any interference and are the citizens who decide how this should digress. Said that this was not because the Government had decided to discriminate positively (positive assertion by the secretary of the Generalitat) Catalan. And for example in schools did not ask what language you wanted to study, Castilian, Catalan or both.


Eugeni Casanova Journalist, professor i escriptor UPC:


According to various studies. All stateless languages \u200b\u200bhave disappeared or are in very bad situation. The English government has acted against all surgically new advances that have been in the area of \u200b\u200blanguage because it fears that a strengthening of the language adventures would lead to secession. It gives the example that in 1999 when it was about to get American distributors films dubbed into Catalan Mariano Rajoy traveled to Los Angeles to stop it. And he must be convincing.

been 30 years and are still doing Correllengua, volunteers linguistic, etc. without having more progress and now the talk without shame is that the Catalan eventually disappearing.



My views on ...:


On the liberal concept is fine. But if we talk in terms of market we forget about the forty years of Franco's interference in the "market" of language. Also forget that the Catalan or any language is the tip of the culture to which it belongs. And to treat culture as if they were my personal notes I'm afraid. I think that currently, under the cloak of liberal try to fit certain things that have a different name. The arguments of the guest fit me as saying the party is Ciutadans. And I see using the security measures most controversial Catalan to exploit feelings and cashing policy. Remember to calculate the need to protect the language. About

surgically the state acts against the progress of language, might you have done but there has been progress and the achievement of the linguistic domain. Cat on the Internet. If Zapatero had opposed this domain does not exist. I know that the selection of Catalan Hockey does not exist for the action of Zapatero. But progress in terms of language .. if any hail ... Case is dark but not so black.

Joel Joan's idea amused me. Seeing as expressed in the parliament in the regional languages \u200b\u200bseems a way of showing respect and integrate them all. The truth. Without going any further I think the Catholic kings ruled all the languages \u200b\u200bof the state. Castilian, Gallego, Euskera, Catalan and do not know if any more. Also grants to other languages \u200b\u200bfor example serve to increase awareness of music in Euskera and Galician. Of which very little is heard thing but what you hear is really nice.


For me, language is a vehicle for communication and a sample of each culture. Should be protected? Yes, I think we agree about all that. Be used to separate, to face? No. This is the case? You might particularly either side. Where is the border? I do not know. As speaking Castilian in Catalonia do not feel you have crossed that border. I usually express in Castilian. And when I speak Catalan or Catalan-speaking Catalan. And vice versa with me.

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Analysis of TeleMadrid on Castilian in Catalonia

I've seen the documentary TeleMadrid issued on 9 March. I summarized my views on the same end, but first I want to point out a few things.

Castilian in Catalonia is not pursued, he said the same Rajoy and Josep Piqué says now .

elmundo So why TeleMadrid and continue by going to the opposite? The documentary issued on Monday leaves you with that feeling and giving "arguments" and misinformation to believe in that version. Why?

There are several possible reasons. Political

: generate a hostile climate in people makes them easier to manipulate, drives to the most important things. Unemployment, wage levels, ipc, health, infrastructure reached, etc. Furthermore when another community asks for something it is easier to mobilize people (even if what lies have) to reject such requests. And what is not going to Catalonia it is mostly mothers. Cultural

: Attacking a culture is a way to defend your own.

My opinion on the matter is that Catalonia has suffered forty years of dictatorship which was not allowed to use their language. In a democracy you are trying to restore the status quo and protect the Catalan. Like any child of his mother would do with their culture, English, English, etc. The citizens of Catalonia have voted for parties that defend these ideas. And now emerging from the station church a political party to create a groundswell of opinion that has no impact on the whys of protecting a culture (Catalan) but the most controversial measures taken to it. His motives to gain power and in turn end up permanently weakening of Catalan culture as a means of homogenizing the culture of the state. With great contempt missing a past of history and culture as the Catalan.

All these attacks should not distract us from what really matters. Pressuring politicians for what really affects us. Social problems.

I like I can speak Castilian in Catalonia whatever I want and I have enough education so that if someone speaks in Catalan I answered in Catalan. No more. That's the only story here.


Analyzing the documentary my impressions are:

short speech to show the message you want

For example, the teacher will explain that because education is necessary Catalan.


The documentary tries to touch the emotions, rather than a serious debate and show all points of view: Music

distressing. Music
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reinforcing the feeling of fighting against the system. Images

Kope-borroka (when these events are practically stories in Catalonia).


They take examples of people who will not adapt to local culture and show their point of view as laudable.
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If someone from outside does not adapt, it is just as worthy an example?

Carmelo Gonzalez, Canario in Catalonia. Schooling her daughter in an English school before in public education where it is Catalan.

words, as not going to give all classes in the Castilian prefers to den in a language other than Catalan. Compositions

twisted:

Carmelo comment on the case was presented to the Government to protest and say they only received insults at your request. Insults (that should not occur) of people but not the Generalitat.Y as remarked Carmelo attitude does not deserve insults but it is commendable not want to understand you with those who lived there. Questions


taken out of context and distorted responses:


-teens asked if they know there is a dictionary Castilian q,

-we have not yet reached who did

conclusion of the interviewer, the student does not know that there is a dictionary of Castilian.


Other children:

Ent "When you talk in your language that you say? Child-nothing



Child2 Parla-not your language (do not talk in your language)

conclusion: We tell children not to talk in their language and speak Catalan.


Specific examples extrapolated to the general. Phrases

manipulated to hide that Castilian is spoken in the street and the children to master:

Those who come from outside should forget the Castilian.

show specific schools where all instruction is in Catalan but not talk about that there are schools where they study only in Castilian and have no problem.


Forgetting the context of the problems


In my see the rulers claim that Catalan is the language back to the place as before. And so they want to be in public, on the street. Necessary.

documentary that nevertheless speaks Catalan want to impose by force. No talk of restoring the old normal. Or anything like that.


derogatory phrases illogical looking for a striking effect even though they are far from the truth: Is

Castilian endangered?

o_O They have to learn another language ... Correcting

drifts. Separate

as plague ... Even

post had to undergo and adapt to the demands that forced him to enter the Catalan even in the mailboxes of the street.
constantly
The documentary uses the formulas: the imposition of the Generalitat Catalan forces instead of referring to the defense of a culture or non-discrimination language.

The football has not been free of revenge raging nationalist Catalonia. Citizens

threatened.

The conclusion (final sentence of the documentary): A society faced navigating between two languages, Castilian speaking or speaking in Catalan.

There can be nothing wrong to conclude. No matter what the interviewees say. The documentary concludes that there is a kind of war. Err on the street, in Catalonia, people can talk what they want. And the aim is also to meet everyone Castilian, Catalan as well known. And someone who speaks Catalan should not stop speaking their language systematically in their land because they do not know. It is about defending the culture. Or is that Mr. documentary is against defending their culture or is it that the way to defend it, attacking other cultures, creating movements against other people?

is not speaking Catalan or Castilian. This is all to be understood in either language. And if the documentary could not understand this it has not wanted to. Hence the bad faith with which they acted.

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The tension an effective method to do and undo at will behind

Today I read these words of Josep Cuni (journalist currently working on TV3) on the tension:

We have given up the ability to debate. And just mouth our own arguments marked by politically correct principles provided by the dictate. And we throw ideas just spent like missiles, but to take effect on the other hand, closed at its comfortable and seems to be better, first as the others in theirs.

If the politicians have ensured that all boils down to why I am afraid there is little to do. Just that both parties agree liberal policy to privatize everything, or that they agree that pollution is of little importance, or that salaries should be low while climbing around or whatever.

As these issues will not be in the arena and "all" imported them least. They may be doing (or rather undoing) and when we suffocation most will be too late.

for me can stay in their homeland, with its conspiracies and what they please. To me and I have seen.

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U.S. can only have a Christian president has an expiration date

In the U.S. 91% of the population believes in a religion.

the total 26% of Americans believe that someone can not have moral atheist and 62% carried by this or other reasons would not vote for president someone atheist.

is, in practice, the U.S. population has chosen religious presidents in recent decades.

means they did because they assumed these leaders great values \u200b\u200band humanity of atheists do not have.

However, in practice U.S. presidents have behaved like the worst criminals in mass long, terrorism in South America, press for pro-pharmaceutical over millions of patients ...

Last, Bush, a fervent believer. Has killed more than 600,000 people in a war for money.

Money was not even for his people, was for companies like Haliburton that now takes its headquarters to an Arab country to avoid paying taxes in America.

If one accepts the conclusions of the documentary the power of nightmares these leaders believing Americans would build a cohesive society based on two concepts. Create

American enemy: Islamic religious fundamentalists.

and submit to the U.S. as the saviors of the world. This

believers presidents have invaded two Islamic countries and would be on the verge of invading the most powerful them, which is dealing with autonomous terrorists who act in case of invasion.

perfect combination. The enemy to attack.

Americans can vote whatever they want but they should know that perhaps a safe democático atheist president would fare much better the world.

But hey, if 48% of them deny the theory of evolution is that the propaganda goes into effect and only a matter of export so we can all live in a Christian world peace, harmony and carnage (of people live far away, of course).

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The digital diary Elplural echoed statements of Labordeta where it says that:

"The tension will end as soon as the elections and the PP lost"

I thought so too but I'm starting to change his mind. I thought that a bump end the strategy of the PP.

But there are several things that make me believe that not going to change.

1 - The strategy of the tension I worked with Felipe Gonzalez. The theme of Gal although they could agree (Aznar told his officers that it was worth all against ETA) was just down the government.

2 and more important. Neoconservatives in the U.S. (with Bush as a puppet) used the strategy of the iron and the harassment of his rival until he dropped. Not having enough were given away a few votes in Florida.

Aznar, his acolytes (and now many more countries) belong to the American school. Of young people had no respect for democratic values. Aznar Rajoy against the constitution and the equality that provides democracy ...

Now sociologists love to play and manipulate the masses. Have met with the American way of tension and anything goes. You must submit to the contrary as the enemy. You have to attack him for everything and this will be phased in gradually in the subconscious of voters an aggressive idea otherwise. At the end enough to have a considerable error of the opposition to sink to the bottom.

is not about winning or losing. May be lost. But for them is the natural way to proceed. Only

tremendous thud would wake them. But if the lies over the M11, the anti-democratic moves such as buying in some community members, etc. I have no great harm is already inside the minds of the collective. It's too late. Tension until we govern and again when they lose another election. No turning back.